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Message   Bill Wehrkamp    Bill Spies   sin?   May 15, 1996
 10:59 PM  

Re: sin?

 that when our fore fathers were walking aroung on there nuckles, they were
 banging every female in sight! so i think that religion has laws that go
 AGAINST human nature. as far as how A God created the universe is another

That's a very interesting point... I suppose that is somewhat against human
nature.  But in a civilized society, this is the way we're expected to act.
Is it natural, or a constraint developed by society?  Remember that human
beings wrote the Bible, not God... I guess it's only natural that human
beliefs (and societal constraints) appear.  Is this really God's law?
I'm not so sure.  I think it's God's law interpreted by human beings, with
plenty of human beliefs thrown in to make everything confusing.

 story. For example, lets take a look at the zebra. many people cant
 understand why a zebra has black and white stripes. what kind of camoflage is
 that? well, its a damn good one! the main predator of the zebra is the lion.
 the lion does not have the eye sight that we have, as a matter of fact its
 very poor. when the zebra's run in heards, the stripes cause a stobe light
 effect one the lions eyes and the lion cant single out any one particular
 zebra. so the zebra has a fighting chance. now you cant tell me that many
 many years ago the zebra got tigether and said, "hey dudes, this is how the
 lion works and this is how we are going to protect ourselves". and i dont
 think there is any other animal ,ancient or present, that the zebra could
 have evolved from that also have stripes. even if they did, then that animal
 was created that way for a reason. so therefore, A GOD DID create the
 universe we are forced to live in but religion that billions of people
 blindly follow is made by man (but if they want to follow religion, then
 thats ok because i also believe that we as humans can like by our own free
 will).

You've made some great points in this post, many of which I agree with.
This last one can come under debate, though.  This sounds like the old
creation vs. evolution issue.

Certainly the zebras didn't get together one day and decide to grow stripes.
But this doesn't prove that God specifically created them that way.  Sure,
it's a possibility, but the other equally likely possibility is that they
simply evolved that way.  It's difficult (for me, at least) to comprehend
given the short span of a human life how much time an evolution like this
would take.

But consider how they might have evolved this way- maybe there were some
all white zebras, who consistently got eaten by lions.  And maybe there
were some all black zebras, who also got eaten by lions.  And then one
day a freak (mutation) appears, with stripes... and alas, escapes the
lions more often than the others.  This zebra breeds, and its offspring
also eludes the lions while the others are more likely to be caught.
Eventually, the striped zebras are dominant, and the white-only and black-only
zebras disappear.

More likely this was a slow evolution, but the point is there.  I think I
just opened up a whole new topic...
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