Re: Frightening Revelation

> >      So, from that point of view, no. A person can't be "moral" in the firs
> > place, as it is, presumably, only God that imparts value and forgiveness (n
> > for what we have done so much as for what we "are" through his mercy.
> I think in that one sentence you make us sound worse thne we are let me make
> us (mankind a little better)...  God does not place goodness on us, although
> he shows us how to be good and asks we make the choice wheither it be for
> good or bad....

     Well, in a sense, what you say about giving us the choice is true. I
only want to point out what the Christian viewpoint would be if taking the
Bible at it's word - which is that there is no one of themselves that WILL
choose for God unless he inclines their hearts toward Him. It's not an easy
concept, since it implies free will yet attributes the impetus to God.
     Whatever the interpretation, the Bible is full of language that speaks
of man quite disparagingly except when imparted with the righteousness of the
Father through Christ. This is the whole crux of the idea of salvation - that
there was no one willing or capable of paying the price of God's justice
except God himself.